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Third Time's a Harm
Mon, 04/21/2008 - 11:26pm — mbtn01
Aging pinch-hitter Marlon Anderson
is expected to get his first start of the year Tuesday afternoon as the Mets wrap up a quick visit to Wrigley, and hopefully, jump-start a bat that's been slumbering for much of the early going.
The start would also be Anderson's first while wearing No. 9 -- he changed into it this offseason after the Mets acquired Brian Schneider, who received 23. Anderson wore 18 in his go-round with the Mets in 2005 but that number now belongs to Moises Alou.
Anderson is the 23rd player to wear at least 3 different Met uniform numbers and if 9 turns out to be the worst of the three he won't be alone: David Cone (16); Ron Darling (15) and Kevin Elster (15) are right there with him among players whose third uniform was their worst. And though .067 is a tiny sample, Anderson at the moment looks a lot like the guy released by the Dodgers a year ago.
On the other hand, for Hubie Brooks (7), Cleon Jones (21) and even the patron saint of multple jersey wearers, Jeff McKnight (7) the third time was a charm.
See the complete list here...
All the King's Men
Tue, 04/08/2008 - 10:40pm — mbtn01
Thanks as usual to a great readership we destroyed the Kingman Kontroversy in a matter of hours and moved on to still more mystery.
First up, on the right is a 1981 program showing a spring training photo of Dave Kingman (wearing No. 5, obscured by his bat) along with Rusty Staub. Both TommieCleon and SJR provided me with this image -- apparently published at least twice that season (once pre-strike, once post-strike).
On the left is a weird All-Star insert card provided by TommieCleon, also showing Kong with the partially obscured No. 5.
As detailed in the comments in the post below this, this controversy reminded me of another "false positive" Kingman spring. This one was 1975. Tonight I cracked open the '75 yearbook to find the below photo, showing the newly acquired Kingman in a St. Petersburg batting cage wearing No. 4 but with a roster, dated March 27, noting Kingman would wear 26 once the season began. Adding to this confusion were photos of Rusty Staub also wearing 4 -- but they dated to 1974. Staub that spring was wearing 10 for the first time -- he'd ditched 4 after Duffy Dyer was traded that winter.
Now things get really weird. When that 1975 season finally began, it was April 8, a Tuesday day game against the Phillies -- 33 years ago today. I was at Shea with my Dad, and Kingman hit a home run. We won 2-1 that day as Seaver outdueled Carlton.
Tonight I learned that today's disappointing home opener against the Phillies was attended by Dave Kingman.
I don't know what it means either.
* Before today's game, Matt Wise was placed on the disabled list with a stiff forearm. The surprise recallee, Carlos Muniz, pitched this after noon wearing No. 32. Muniz wore 38 last year before Wise arrived this winter.
Kingman Kontroversy
Mon, 04/07/2008 - 8:03pm — mbtn01MBTN reader Gordon passed the below photo along today along with this note:
I came across a picture at a flea market this weekend. It was labeled to be Dave Kingman (it looks like him). He's wearing uniform #5.
For whatever reason, this photo looks vaguely familiar to me but I can't place it. If indeed it's Kingman, and I agree on the blurry resemblance, the intersection of uniform style, Kong's tenure with the Mets, and availability of No. 5 places this picture as being taken sometime in 1981, obviously in a road game, and before September 11, when Mike Howard was issued No. 5.
My guess is, as often the case, it dates from spring training -- where photos exist of Kingman wearing No. 10 from his first tenure. But if you have a guess or happen to know something, please share in the comments section below.
* Thanks to my friends new and old who showed up at the MBTN book launch Sunday at Stout NYC and shared beer, wings, pretzels, burgers and the pain of realizing Luis Castillo is only in the 5th day of a four-year contract. The SNY crew didn't make it after all, but looks like we'll have an audience with them soon. Thanks also to the folks who made our appearance at Barnes & Noble Bayside a fun time on Saturday, especially Ashley who set it all up, and Mike, Mike and Lou. We left behind a short stack of autographed copies there -- get them while they last.
* We have a few more events on the calendar for next week, including an appearance at Bookends in New Jersey April 16 and a baseball writers event at Word Books in Brooklyn April 17 hosted by Caryn Rose of Metsgrrl and also featuring Spike Vrusho, author of Benchclearing: Baseball's Greatest Fights and Riots. No way can you miss that.
Unregistered
Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:49pm — mbtn01
I was about to pontificate upon the chances of Steven Register retaining No. 61 or switching to something more dignified when word came he'd been waived by the Mets. Hopefully, the opportunity exists to work out a deal with Colorado that would allow the Mets to keep Register in the organization free of the onerous (for the Mets, at least) provisions of Rule 5.
This is good news, I believe, if you're a fan of Joe Smith, who like Register, seems groomed for a role I'll call GUPPY (GroUndball Pitcher, Perplexing deliverY -- alright, needs work). Smith however can be safely stashed at AAA so it's no lock he surfaces, at least not right away.
Similarly, looks as if suspicion over Duaner Sanchez' durability gives a shot to his hard-throwing nonroster counterpart, Brian Stokes, at least, to start the year. As for the No. 5 starter, I'm as disappointed as the next guy in Mike Pelfrey, maybe more, but I'd give him all the rope he needs. It's not like an injured Orlando Hernandez has a whole lot of upside any longer.
* In case you didn't see it, MLB.com's Marty Noble today ran his annual Port St. Lucie christening story, a sure sign Spring Training is coming to an end.
* Don't forget you're invited to the MBTN Launch Party at Stout NYC, April 6, 1pm.
Torve Jackpot! Fight Night in Photos
Mon, 02/25/2008 - 12:08am — mbtn01
You may have seen a few posts back the exclusive interview with Kelvin Torve, whose "accidental" issue of the 24 jersey in 1990 caused a minor stir among Met fans and a major event in team history when viewed through the numeric prism. Photographic evidence of the event was difficult to come by, to say the least -- even a thorough re-examination of Mets Inside Pitch issues from 1990 produced nothing.
That was before MBTN user TommieCleon (aka Paul C) stepped up to the plate, and just like Kelvin Torve on Aug. 9, 1990, smashed one off the wall. Pictured
here are videocaps from that historic occassion -- not only one of the few games Torve spent wearing No. 24, and not only his best moment -- his pinch double drove in 2 runs including the game-winner and made him a hero -- but for the lengthy, violent, bench-clearing brawl that occurred only an inning before.
The brawl was precipitated when Phillies pitcher Pat Combs returned fire to Dwight Gooden, then hitting. Gooden earlier in the game had hit Phillies Dickie Thon and Tommy Herr with pitches. Tension between the Mets and Phillies had dated to a year before when Darryl Strawberry and Darren Daulton tangled.
A Man Named Brady
Fri, 02/15/2008 - 1:41pm — mbtn01The Mets announced Friday that they'd signed veteran outfielder Brady Clark to a minor league deal and invited him to Spring Training. This would be the second Met go-round for Clark who arrived from the Reds in September 2002 as the fourth and final piece in the Shawn Estes trade.
Now, Shawn Estes may have been a rotten Met himself, but his trade brought a few decent talents to the organization: In addition to Clark, who stuck around only long enough to participate in the horrid month of September 2002 (but went on to have better success elsewhere), the Mets gathered in outfield reserve Raul Gonzalez, and a skinny lefty, Pedro Feliciano, who, depending upon how you count these things, is the Met with longest tenure heading to the 2008 season. To be technical, Jose Reyes is the longest with continuous service. Feliciano since 2002 was cut and reacquired not once but twice: He was claimed on waivers by the Tigers following that season but released and re-signed by the Mets the following spring. Feliciano would later be sold to the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks and re-signed again prior to the 2006 season. That trade also produced a minor league pitched, Elvin Andujar, who went nowhere.
Accidental 24: The Kelvin Torve Interview
Mon, 02/11/2008 - 10:01pm — mbtn01
Kelvin Torve was a journeyman ballplayer whose brief career
with the Mets is remembered as much for his uniform as for his game. But his
moment in history reveals much.
A 10-year minor-league veteran when called up to the Mets to replace an injured Kevin Elster in August of 1990, Torve became the unwitting victim of a procedural screw-up that gave him temporary custody of a uniform number that was supposed to have been kept under guard for one of the team’s immortals. For reasons unexplained to this day they gave him No. 24, a uniform that hadn’t been issued to a player since Willie Mays finished his career with the Mets in 1973.
Joan Payson, the Mets’ original owner and unabashed fan of the Say Hey Kid dating from his career with the New York Giants, had promised Mays the Mets wouldn’t issue No. 24 following his retirement. The succeeding Met ownership, however, never got around to officially retiring the number, leaving 24 in an uncomfortable state of limbo just waiting for a situation like Torve’s to arise. (They should retire it in honor of Mrs. Payson, is what they ought to do). Embarrassed as public outcry grew, the Mets shortly re-fitted the South Dakota native in No. 39.
Torve, who today works as a salesman for a packaging company and teaches at youth baseball clinics around his Davidson, N.C., home, for his part remains a good sport about his accidental casting in a freaky Met episode. In the following interview, parts of which were conducted for, and included in, the Mets by the Numbers book, Torve discusses his career including his moment as an overnight sensation in Willie Mays’ clothes.
Tell me about your
career leading up to the Mets.
I was drafted by the Giants and played four years with them.
I was traded to the Orioles and played three years with them, making it all the
way to AAA. Signed as a free agent with the Twins and played two years with them,
mostly in AAA and part of 1988 with the Twins in Minnesota. After that, I spent two years with the Mets.
When you played, were
you mostly an outfielder or a first baseman?
Mostly, I was a first baseman. I dabbled in the outfield,
mostly if there was a chance to get another first baseman who hit lefthanded
into the game. I also went to Instructional League with the Twins to learn how
to catch, but that lasted about six weeks, and I was never to darken the doors
of catcherdom again.
I guess that was not
all that unusual for a player like yourself who was in the game for a long time
and trying to be as useful as you can be.
Right. And I appreciated the Twins for giving me that
opportunity. I learned a lot, but it didn’t work out. The ultimate goal would
have been for me to be a third catcher with somebody, be a pinch hitter, play
outfield and first base and in an absolute emergency go back there and put on
the catching gear.
In your minor league
career, you were a pretty good hitter [.303/.392/.453 in AAA Tidewater in
1990].
I hit well enough to be employed for 13 years. I was a good
AAA hitter and had one good year in the big leagues with the Mets. My bat was
what kept me in the game. I had a few opportunities but when you’re a minor
leaguer for as long as I was you really have to make a splash immediately if
you want to stay. The first year with the Mets, I did, and I got quite a few
at-bats. The second year, I think I had only 8 at-bats. I hit the ball hard but
didn’t get the breaks. That’s the way it goes.
You were a first
baseman who didn’t hit many home runs.
That was the knock on me. I was a first baseman who didn’t
hit enough home runs. But the Mets at that time had a guy at first base, Dave
Magadan, who didn’t hit many home runs either. They at least had the foresight
to challenge that stereotype. In baseball, like in a lot of careers I suppose,
if you get a label like that, it’s hard to lose.
I wonder if you can
set the scene for me. You’re called to the Mets in 1990 and issued a jersey for
the first time. What do you recall about it?
Nothing out of the ordinary. I just got there and saw a
locker with my uni in it, No. 24. I didn’t give a second thought to it. I don’t
know who assigned the number, it might have been Charlie Samuels but I’m not
sure. I guess they didn’t give much thought either.
They didn’t ask you
if you had a preference?
Oh, no.
So you’re in a
situation where they take what they give you.
Yes. I had spent a long time in the minors. I was just happy
to be there. I would have taken two-point-four if they’d asked me to.
When do you become
aware that there’s some kind of outcry?
When I was called up we had a homestand with the Phillies
and I think, the Cubs. Then we went on the road, to California,
and while we were out there Charlie came up to me and said, “Listen, we made a
mistake with your number. Some people have been calling in and writing in. So
we’d like to change your number.”
I just said, “Shoot, that’s fine with me.” I didn’t want to be a pain about it. And I guess they wanted to keep it low-key, not make a big deal about it. So I just started wearing No. 39 from that point on.
Did you have any
preference as to what number you would have wanted?
Not really. I’d played so long in legion ball and college
and the minor leagues. I think I’d worn every number there was. I didn’t have
any preference at all.
Did you hear anything
from the fans, or pick up on it, while you were at Shea?
No, I didn’t. That’s not to say they weren’t yelling at me –
just that I didn’t hear anything. The first time I was aware of it we were on
the road and Charlie came up to me in the locker room and told me that’s Willie
Mays’s number, so we have to change it. And I said, that’s fine.
I looked it up, and
you were batting better than .500 in the No. 24 jersey.
Hopefully I did OK in it, because I know Willie Mays did it
proud as well.
You played briefly
with the Mets again in 1991, then to Japan, correct?
Two years, I played for the Orix Blue Wave. It was a good
time. I’m nostalgic when I look back on that time, but while you’re over there
it can be frustrating the way they play the game. It’s different than in the United States,
and you’re a long way from home. But after leaving Japan, reflecting on it, I
realize how much I did enjoy my time there, what it a blessing it was.
I was a teammate of Ichiro over there. When I was there he was a rookie. He was so young he rode his bicycle to the games!
Could you tell at the
time he would accomplish as much as he has?
Yes, though back then nobody from Japan was coming to the
United States. Watching him play you would say, it’s too bad they don’t because
this kid could play in the big leagues. He was 18 at the time and the only
thing he couldn’t do well then was throw, and he’s obviously gotten a lot
better throwing since then. You could tell he was going to be really good.
What about your time
with the Mets do you remember most?
I recall it as a good time because I was in the big leagues.
My first at-bat, I got hit by a pitch. My second at-bat, I hit a double that
knocked in a few runs [pinch-hitting in a contentious game featuring a
Phillies-Mets brawl]. The morning after that I get a call that there’s some
policemen waiting to see me in the lobby of the hotel.
Turns out a sports talk radio show had talked about me getting called up, being a kid from the prairie in South Dakota, and being in the big city for the first time. These New York City cops heard that and showed up at my hotel and gave me an escort to the ballpark! They said, we hear you might need help. It was all good natured. I got to be good friends with one of those cops and his family, a guy by the name of Al Weinman. We kept up with Al for years after that.
New Roster Posted
Wed, 02/06/2008 - 9:34pm — mbtn01So the Mets along with introducing Johan Santana to the press today updated their 40-man roster so as to provide uni numbers for several players for the first time. From the bottom, it's
9 Marlon Anderson (switching from 23 for Brian Schneider)
16 Angel Pagan
19 Ryan Church
38 Matt Wise (Carlos Muniz is now listed in 32)
39 Jason Vargas (Vargas was 43 last season, we may see a flip with Stokes, below)
43 Brian Stokes
49 Ruddy Lugo (Phillip Humber, we barely miss ye)
61 Steven Register(likely to be the lowest of the high-numbered invitees)
Also worth noting is pitcher Adam Bostick in 72, giving him the highest number among the 40 men invited to camp. Among non-roster invitees, the deck is clear for Jose Valentin to take 22 and Ricardo Rincon to assume his usual 73.
Our post below guessed a few of these correctly at least. Keep in mind as always these numbers don't "count" until the games do, so nothing is official yet.
The Mystery Six
Fri, 02/01/2008 - 11:46pm — mbtn01
OK, so now that Johan Santana is in the fold and will presumably slip on a No. 57 jersey at a press event sometime next week, there's still the matter of the other new guys and what they'll turn up in when spring training begins later this month.
What new guys? Well, those indicated by the "--" symbol alongside their names on the mets.com 40-man roster: Pitchers Ruddy Lugo; Steven Register, Brian Stokes and Matt Wise; and outfielders Ryan Church and Angel Pagan. Catcher Brian Schneider is also indicated with a double-en-space, but we're reasonably sure he's headed for the No. 23 jersey photographed below and Marlon Anderson will change into something new.
44 Caliber Killers
Thu, 11/29/2007 - 11:20pm — mbtn01(November 30, 2007 )
Ladies and gentlemen, Flushing is burning.
Reluctant to rest upon a history of historically stupid dealmaking, the Mets have reportedly coughed up Lastings Milledge 44 in a trade for Washington Nationals players Ryan Church and Brian Schnieder. Wow. Schneider, who wears No. 23 with Washington, at one time was a pretty heads-up defensive player but has never been a good hitter and in fact is quite a bad one, appears to spell an early end to the Metly career of erstwhile backstop Johnny Estrada. Church, a lefthanded hitting insect type who’s actually better than I would have guessed though only about as good as Milledge is right now, was seen most recently wearing No. 19. Both guys could conceiveably retain their digits in 2008 but it would mean a third career uni number for Marlon Anderson.
Now, I’m not one of those guys vulnerable to misplacing my faith in every young kid who tears up the Florida State League; nor do I believe that Milledge’s various acts of youthful idiocy ought not to be a cause for concern. What I worry about are the Mets seemingly never learning not to let their guys go so easily.
More harrowing news to follow at the Winter Meetings.
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